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  • #42345

    BattleGrind
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    In spots where an opponent 3bets 35%+ and you 4bet jam:-

    1) How much of a hand sample would you need before making 4bet jams with weak hands?
    2) Would you jam 22-55 and A2-A5? If so
    3) How much wider can you increase your range to? What (1) K, Q, J, T hands (2) suited hands and (3) off-suited hands can you jam as opposed to just 4betting?
    4) How does your range change if the opponent was:-
    – full stacked
    – 60-80bb deep
    – 40bb deep or less

    #42411

    Bryan Raymond
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    I would say 100 buttons sample would be good. If you had a much larger sample you could shove any hand you want if his calling range is 99+aq (full stack)
    vs a short stack who will probably call wider you can still shove about 50% of hands and as for 60-80 will just be somewhere inbetween kinda depends how light he calls (aj, kq?)
    considering I assume you will be opening pretty tight (70%?) even vs the shorty you can probably shove more than 50% of your opens in that case.

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    #42419

    Gordon Gekko
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    search youtube for 4bet shove calculator. You got a free version and can play around with ranges.

    35% is ez and you can jam as low as 56s if 35% is indeed correct.

    What is important: Determining his calling range !!!

    This is the hardest part. If your opponent 4bet calls QJ (most people do not!) your jamming range looks different than if he were totally polarized

    Like bryan said, a 100 button sample sounds great.

    #42424

    Bryan Raymond
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    also there is usually an easier way to crush this style
    1. play a lot tighter
    2. call a lot of that tighter range and give him fits postflop

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    #42621

    IMACHAMPION
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    you didn’t discuss how much he calls to steal, which is a HUGE relevant factor for me lets say he calls 10% to steal and then 3 bet 35% I will minraise everything and let him exploit me all day because I out exploit him by making 5% mathematically you also didn’t discuss his 4bet fold range to a regular size. Jamming is just beyond ridiculous to me and I don’t have a 4 bet shoving range preflop ALSO you didn’t talk about your preflop sizing and his preflop sizing. if you make it 2 and he makes it 7, I definitely don’t have a 4 bet shoving range, and you’d be leaking if you do if you made it 3 and he makes it 10 its a bit closer (but still thats an error in itself because hes 3 betting too much for 3x to be profitable).

    Basically theres so much more elements to it but I will not continue breaking it down because it can have a whole story of my considerations but thats my main ones

    Give a broad question get a broad answer. Give a deep question, get a deep answer.

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