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  • #4364
    Rovar
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    Hi, everyone!

    Today is my birthday (30 fkn years) and I’m giving myself a present of starting a HU mastermind course. I’ve purchased it like a month ago and I was occasionally lurking around this forum in “quiet”, just to get familiar with things around here. I haven’t posted anything yet, nor do I have the knowledge to do so, but I hope this is gonna change and that I’ll be able to contribute in strategy section very soon.

    I started playing poker a year ago from scratch, micro stakes ($1) format SnG, FR and switched to SnG’s 6 Max last November, currently playing $33’s, 6 tabling. While I make some side cash by this format I was always interested in HU cash, where the big $$$ are! Never had cojones or $ to try it tho. I saw Gordons vid in some other forum and since my roll is finally good enough, I decided to give it a try. Question is, if everything else is…

    I think my biggest leak is not believing opponents. I mean when I finally have a piece of board, do they really have to have a better one? Really?
    I’m also not feeling like the luckiest guy out there, maybe coz I’m running between 40-80 BI bellow EV for 4k tourneys now, but that should be normal in this format.

    So what’s my plan?

    Well, I want to start this the same way as I did with SnG’s. From scratch, questioning, asking about everything coz those two formats are quite different. You can expect a lot of noob-ish questions, even tho I should know them by now, and I hope I’ll get some answers from great minds that I see around here.

    Since I still need money each month and I don’t know which way things are going to turn, I came up with a safety plan by still playing (read: grinding for RB) SnG’s to clear some bonuses I have left (should be done in month or two), while I’m learning HU.

    I’m also fully employed, married, two kids (girls) and one more on it’s way (prolly a girl too), which means I can’t play poker every day for 8+ hours but I do it round 4-6 anyway. My plan is to do one HU homework at the beginning of every available day and grind SnG’s rest of it until I complete the course.

    By breaking down the course I meant doing summary of what I learned in each chapter and writing it here in greater details and asking additional questions which pops in my head and I didn’t get answers in videos.

    I hope that’s OK by you Gordon?

    I have to mention that even tho course is step by step designed, I still think that it’s better to watch it through all of it at first before you start paying, just to get an idea what is it all about and then going trough it by steps. Otherwise something similar like this can happen to you:

    My graph of first attempt at HU after watching only first few chapters of preflop play (I stopped playing after that, until next homework):

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]511[/ATTACH]

    I hope… fuck that, I know I’ll turn this shit around after I’m done with the course, if not, I can still go back to grinding SnG’s.

    To the first video: WELCOME

    Nice intro by Gordon, like the voice, no BS approach and all.

    I already have moneybookers account and accounts on most big sites (except merge and ongame network), so special RB mentioned are no go for me, or? I also asked Alexa about it and there isn’t any offer at the moment. Sucks.

    I wonder how much rake in average do we produce per hour, one tabling at NL50?

    I’m gonna deposit 10bi on ipoker, pokerstars, party and pacific network for the moment and go from there. Full tilt coming next month or so coz I still got FDB to clear there.

    I’ve noticed that there is no information about bankroll management during the course or stop loss advice, so I’m guessing here…

    What’s the best way? 50BI for next level? 100BI? Or 50BI, plus 100k hand sample at certain limit?

    About stop loss limit… Quitting after losing 3,4,5 BI against opp.? Except if you lose them in standard situations and you can see your edge over opp.?

    Second video: HOW TO CHEAT

    I’m adding a row of detailed flop, turn and river aggression at the bottom, so I won’t need to use pop ups all the time.

    Note about WTSD:

    Typical good player has it between 29-31%.

    -25%; barrel anything that looks scary (over cards
    26-28%; on tighter side = barrel more (usually fold 2nd pair when overs are around)
    +33%; calling stations = don’t barrel much or bluff him (they don’t fold any pair, value bet as much as you can).

    Note about BIP:

    Start c/r against opp. who has that higher than 70%.

    Note about BOP:

    Start c/r on the turn against opp who has that higher than 70% or call them down, coz of high probability of bluffs.

    Note about CFR:

    10% = nuts (2P or better, you can safely fold TP and not felling bad). Unless you’ve seen them slow playing.


    Nice, so my question here is about getting those stats? Is it worth purchasing data at NL50?

    OK, so this is it for today, my job is almost over and I’m going home to open some presents. I know already that I got one parachute jump coupon. Looking forward to others.

    First homework/summary tomorrow.

    #13416
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    Too late but Happy Birthday!
    Nice first post, good luck OP.

    #13422
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    Thanks eatyourpeas! How come you don’t have a blog?

    I wanted to do my first homework today but our court system totally messed up my schedule for the day so I ended up short in time for it. I’m back at work now so I’m just gonna watch the video and do the HW tomorrow.

    Video: PREFLOP STRATEGY: BASICS

    Everything we do, depends on our opponent! So no fixed ranges, just ranges against specific opponent.

    I have to watch opp. CST% and 3B% and adjust to that.

    According to their stats my ranges look like this (don’t fold suited hands):

    If their range is CST+3bet%= 35-45%: I play 95%, folding only: 82o, 72o, 62o, 42o, 32o

    If their range is CST+3bet%= 45-55%: I play 90%, folding only: 92o, 83o-, 73o-, 63o-, 52o, 43o-, 32o

    If their range is CST+3bet%= 55-65%: I play 85%, folding only: T2o, 94o-, 84o-, 73o-, 63o-, 53o-, 43o-, 32o

    If their range is CST+3bet%= 65-75%: I play 80%, folding only: J3o-, T4o-, 94o-, 84o-, 74o-, 64o-, 53o-, 43o-, 32o

    If their range is CST+3bet%= 75-80%: I play 75%, folding only: Q2o-, J4o-, T5o-, 95o-, 85o-, 74o-, 64o-, 54o-, 43o-, 32o

    If their range is CST+3bet%= 80-100%: I play 70%, folding only: Q4o-, J5o-, T5o-, 95o-, 85o-, 75o-, 65o-, 54o-, 43o-, 32o

    Question: Is this reasonable? Of course I also adjust by minraising against high 3b% but ranges stay the same.
    I’m also wondering how does opp. postlop play/agg influence our ranges.

    For example: let’s say opp. plays between 55-65% of hands and he’s giving us problems later, should we then stay at same range (85%), or should we tightened up (but not less than 70%) and if yes, by how much?

    #13409
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    there is no specific bankroll rules. It depends on you, some people can do 30-50 BI rule if they never need to cash out

    some people need 100 BI some need 200.

    If your not a spew monkey (HU the game itself some peoplecan lose control spew money after money and donate it all really fast). <– if your in that category i recommend 150+

    If your very disciplined I recommend 50 BI.

    Regardless though thats all irrelevant if your not skilled enough, stay at 50NL for ~20k-40k hands till u figure out how big ur winrate is/ a better/bigger picture of how HU functions. Lower samples are needed in HU and you can realize your edge quite quickly.

    BTW To the EV thing Its very hard to run that bad 50-100 BI under EV, but its definitely possible i’m 30-40 bi under ev atm.

    #13423
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    Tnx for input CHAMP and also for being part of inspiration. I definitely feel more on a spewy side so i’ll go for 100BI rule and 40k hands and then go from there. I saw that you started to use 5BI stop loss limit, so 3BI for beginner should be fine.

    BTW, do you guys look up opp. before the game? Where? I mean sharkscope is for tourneys, where do you look for HU NL? Pokertableratings? Anywhere else?

    Video: BTN – 100% Button Raise

    Must admit that I would newer open 100% BTN before this course and logic behind is quite simple 😀

    Nice tip about first minraise, however i forgot about it in first minutes of play. I guess i was worried to much about recording and actually playing 😀 Now i have everything set up for future homework.

    3 key points about adjusting to 100% open.

    1. I definitely wan’t to play more than 35% of hands from BB to make this play unprofitable by default.
    2. Increasing my 3bet% with wider value and playable hands until opp starts to adjust. If he’s folding to 3bets, i’d include bluffs as well.
    3. If i take it to the flop and he’s c-betting a lot, i can call or raise (if he folds) lightly coz he’s range is full of crap too.

    20 hands that i would otherwise fold:

    [ATTACH=CONFIG]514[/ATTACH]

    Funny, just today they made me 4$ over 5 hands and 20$ over 244 hands all in all which i would just throw away otherwise.

    #13395
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    Homework, always love to see that!

    #13424
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    @Gordon Gekko 6548 wrote:

    Homework, always love to see that!

    Well here is some more of it then! :p

    I was grinding SnG’s all afternoon til i finally met daily quote and found time for HU. I watched two videos of BTN minr and then hit the tables.

    A guy sat down with only 30$, so i thought great, he’s prolly gonna be raise/get it in guy and i’ll be able to get some minraise hands. Boy was i wrong. A limper! Almost every hand. Confused me at first but then i thought, great, free equity! I’ll just raise my value hands. Of course he called a lot of those raises, so being out of position wasn’t the best thing. So i tightened my value raises too until i found out more about him. In the end i took 2 his BI and room took him another one:( Guy just always bet with air and slowplay value. It was ridiculous, i actually couldn’t believe why is he still doing that after i called him down with 3rd pair and so. Nice feeling tho.

    Video: BTN – Minraise / Folding

    Summary:

    minraising:
    1. opp. plays more than 35% of hands from the BB.
    2. doesn’t call a lot (you’re making money by betting 3x in position)
    3. must re-raise a lot from BB (more than 20%)
    4. if opp. has less than 30bb

    If a guy raises more than 30% you can adjust by limp/caling some hands
    If he’s re-raising more, also drop range 70-75% hands

    folding:
    condition that he 3b 20%+ and then we adjust with ranges according to their stats

    Here is the video of 100% BTN minraise (only 15 min, after that i switched to 3x):
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rYJZNt0sVbs

    As far as the hand goes, i don’t have any. I haven’t played so much yet nor did i have such an opponent. As soon as i get them (maybe even during the course, i’ll post them here).

    BTW, noob question: Where the hell do you see how much rake did i produce in HM2?:rolleyes:

    #13425
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    Another working day, this time was about BB 3-betting. Was kinda curious how it’s gonna go. Again not a perfect opponent i got (folding only 20% to 3b and 4 betting some). Interesting video, it really made me concentrate on a game, looking at his stats and playing against that and not much about my hand.

    Video: BB – 3 betting

    Summary:

    1. as much as you can, until they adjust
    2. if F3 is higher than 67% 3bet ATC or if he’s folding to C-bets a lot
    3. low F3 (up to 50%), include only value hands (any broadway, A8s, A9o, K8s, Q8s, J9s+)
    4. between 50-65% include value and some semi bluffs (7-3 ratio – including playable suited hands: 76s, 87s, T8s…)
    5. Don’t reraise hand with 2, 3 and 4 in it, except A2s and K2s
    6. F3 stat depends on steal stats – ranges!!!

    Homework video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37bI8Bq8TEw

    Hands for homework and strategy sections comes tomorrow coz i’m off to work now.

    #13427
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    Another day at the office! This time it was about defending BTN against 3-bets.

    Video: BTN – Defending 3bets

    Summary:

    3 steps:
    His 3bet%?
    Does he fold to 4bet?
    His cbet% and agf%? (High cbet% = our high card [TP] gets value)

    – if he’s 3b more than 20%, defend lighter, leaning towards high cards, if we are deeper (200bi) include some suited hands
    – pay attention if he flats some of his 3b% range!
    – look at his stats and defend against that, either 4bet or call with appropriate range
    – watch his Agf, with lower % you can include wider range

    Watching this, I added 5, 10, 15, 20, 25% ranges to my note while I’m playing, just to get an idea what does it mean. Wider their 3b range is, with less equity i can call. I also played with equilab to get an idea which hands has certain equity.

    This is what came out as default (not including opp. postflop ag. and cb). I discarded some low pp and A2, A3o hands. I’m not sure about A4-A5o hands.

    Against 3b5% (88+,AJs+,KQs,AKo) defend only TT+, AKo, AQs
    Against 3b10% (77+,A9s+,KTs+,QTs+,AJo+,KQo) defend 77+,A9s+,KQs,AJo+
    Against 3b15% (77+,A7s+,K9s+,QTs+,JTs,ATo+,KTo+,QJo) defend 77+,A2s+,KTs+,A8o+,A5o-A4o,KJo+
    Against 3b20% (66+,A4s+,K8s+,Q9s+,J9s+,T9s,A9o+,KTo+,QTo+,JTo) defend 55+,A2s+,K8s+,QTs+,A5o-A4o,KTo+,QJo

    So from now on i’m paying attention with what hands did opp went to SD in 3bet pot, so i can determine his range more accurate.

    I’m going to watch next video later, summarized it and do the rest of homework, before i continue to flop vids.

    #13428
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    Adding missing homework from BTN – Minraise / Folding chapter!
    Post 20 hands where you minraise and the reason why

    Button defending 3Bets video and hands are coming in couple of days, coz i gotta grind SnG’s.

    #13429
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    Yesterday was typical example of my spew.
    I was thinking of not posting this video, but i’m gonna do it anyway, just to remind my self of how not to play. I have those days when i start playing i just want some action and i start playing wrong, not being patience and spewing $ away. Luckily i did regroup my thoughts later and won some money back despite couple of bad beats. In the end i lost 5BI (EV wise it should be 1BI). It was all against “regs” which oddly didn’t want to continue playing after couple of hands, despite getting 1-2 bi from me at first. I guess when i slowly began to get some money back from them, they realized it’s not gonna be so easy after all, which is kinda great/bad thing.

    BTN defending 3bets video:

    Post 20 hands where you have defended a 3bet, also make a note why

    These are all hands against one reg, who played only 46% from BTN and not folding to 3 bets, so i included most of my value hand in calling from BB and folding rest, coz he was basically giving me money anyway. From the BB he 3b 33% and called 19% so i minr/c a lot, since he didn’t cbet so much i was able to call a lot of “bad” hands. I also 4bet some PP and Ahigh cards but preferred to play hands in position with playability.

     

    #13396
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    Keep on going. Respect!

    #13430
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    So i managed to get that lost BIs back by staying patient and solid, playing two “regs”. They have so much leaks (at least preflop), playing rather from BB than in position? That gave me enough hands for next chapter:

    Video: BTN – 4 betting

    Summary:

    Most important thing: Do it only if opp. folds to it or plays bad postflop

    – against very loose 3bettors
    – watch if he’s 3betting polarized (look if he flats some of his 3bet% range?) meanning he must have some air in his range wich he has to fold

    Post 10 hands where you 4bet somebody

    guy was 3betting 35%

    3b36%, shouldn’t cbet on this board and not 4betting him in the future

    just if you give up it doesn’t mean that you gave up 🙂

    Post 10 hands where you get 4bet and how you react

     i called coz of pot ods, we are deep and he was cbetting 56%. I should have bet turn bigger!
     stupid river call
     trying to get value from Ahigh and giving up on further action
     questionable call on the river, but my hand is so unrepresented
     missed river value bet from A high

    About 200bb deep, i would not go all in with AQ and 99 anymore but rather JJ+. Otherwise it’s all opponent depended. If he still folds to 4bet, by all means 4bet him, otherwise i prefer to play 3bet pots with not the strongest hands.

    Video: Preflop All-in

    Summary:

    – Against an unknown opponent, without any stats, 99+, AQ+ for 100 BB preflop.
    – Against a 20% + 3bettor, we can go all-in with any pocket pair as well
    – Against a 30% + 3bettor, we can go all – in with any A high as well

    Video: Preflop Practice – Bonus

    Nice to see Gordon loosing some $ :D, but real eye opener about discipline. Must admit i’d do some spewy shit sooner or later, so i’m extra focusing now on that.

    That’s it for the preflop strategy. What can i say but great stuff! Can’t wait for next chapters.

    Here is my graph so far during preflop study. It’s not much$, but it’s not about that at the moment. Damn that spew near the end, hopping for less of it in future. I’m also running below EV, but i’m use to being on unlucky side, thanks to SnG’s.

    #13431
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    A disaster strikes my way, I’m down 600$. Yesterday it was mostly spew, but today it think i played it very well (on video), maybe AQ hand shouldn’t be all in considering his open %… Ran 3 times today AQ vs AK. I would be really thankful if somebody look and comment it.

    Anyway, i’m still learning so this is expected…

    Video: Continuation – Betting the Flop

    Summary:

    1. Is he folding to c-bet? If he has fold to c-bet 60%+, c-bet ATC
    2. Board structure? Bet anything with piece of board (BDFD, GS, OVERS, [lowest pair, if opp. c/r a lot (20%+) you can check back that])

    – dry flops (paired or not connected in any way)
    – one high card and two low (54-) connected cards
    – two high connected cards (AK)
    – low connecting cards

    – don’t c-bet middle connecteing cards board without backdoor equity
    – watch out for his CRF%

    3.Our hand strength (Equity) (on drawy board bet big size)

    Make a 20 minute video of yourself where you focus on betting on the flop

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lWVwA98DdQ

    Post 20 hands where you continuation bet and why

     paired board, i have a FD. Checking turn coz his calling range consist mostly of Ax and i don’t want to be reraised.
     same rule for 3bet pots, paired low board, don’t have to bet much, giving up on further action
     nuts, should bet little less on the turn
     FD, OESD easy bet/go broke
     OESD

     OESD
     Got pair and want realize my equity
     One high card with 2 low cards + backdoor NFD
     low rainbow connection board – i got 2 overs (top of borad for my cbetting)
     one high card and two low (54-) connected cards

     i got pair, should’ve look for hid CFR % and check back this (more than 15%)
     not connected board
     pair
     nuts
     pair

     one high and two low cards
     paired board
     TPGK
     low cards + GSD
     monotone board

    Post 20 hands where you check behind on the flop and why

     high connected board, turn stab and give up
     middle connected suited cards
     high connected cards + FD (poor equity)
     high connected cards (poor equity)
     middle connected suited cards

     middle connected suited cards, not sure about turn raise and river
     connected board, i called turn coz he had 75% BOP
     connected board, no equity
     connected board, no equity
     connected board, no equity

     connected board, low equity
     connected board, low equity
     connected board, low equity
     connected board, he wasn’t folding to cbets
     connected board, only gutter and he wasn’t folding to cbets (27%)

     middle connected cards, no equity
     High connected cards
     middle connected cards, no equity
     High connected cards
     no equity

    #13432
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    So i recovered some from HU drop, but SnG’s where disaster today. At one point i was down 40bi, unbelievable shit going on. Finished day at -22bi. Timing is just perfect too, coz my wife didn’t get her salary this month, company going bankrupt in near future and as an add-on my car broke down. All in all i’m not in perfect mood, but i managed to do some homework anyway. Can’t wait to clear those bonuses and devote my time to HU. I’m kinda skeptical about how it’s gonna go, but i want to do it.

    Video: Check – Calling the Flop

    Summary:

    1. if you don’t have any FE by c/r, opp has low cb or low fcr (with draws)
    2. when they are aggressive (more than 2.0) and you want them to bet (with set),
    otherwise rather c/r semi bluff hands
    3. if he has high cb and gives up later or goes to showdown (low ag.f. -2 and low WTSD%)
    you can float against those guys coz they will go to SD and you’ll be able to realize your EQ

    Make a 10 minute video of yourself where you call every raise preflop. Then you focus on check calling on the flop.

    Nice opponent for that, limper 😉

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUv_qR2z4nk

    Post 20 hands where you check-call the flop with various hands and why

     wasn’t folding much to 3b, high cbet and flop agg + dry flop + low WTSD
     wasn’t folding much to 3b, high cbet and flop agg + dry flop + low WTSD
     dry flop, he has high CB and flop aggr. + low WTSD, giving up if he doesn’t have later on
     paired flop, he has high CB and flop aggr. + low WTSD, giving up if he doesn’t have later on
     dry flop, he has high CB and flop aggr. + low WTSD, giving up if he doesn’t have later on

     double gutter, low FCR, low aggf and WTSD
     low aggf after flop, i should’ve bet the turn
     monotone board, low aggf and WTSD
     high cbet, low aggf on turn, i’ve got EQ
     high cbet, low aggf on turn, i’ve got EQ

     high cb, low aggf, low fcr, high WTSD
     high cb, low aggf, low fcr, high WTSD
     high cb, low aggf, low fcr, high WTSD
     low aggf, should’ve bet turn
     low aggf, EQ

    Looking back trough my early hands, boy did i make mistakes. Not that i’m perfect now, but just seeing that gives me hope.

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